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🇬🇧 What technology wants ?

la technologie a-t-elle son Ă©volution propre, en dehors de notre contrĂŽle ? Comment est-ce qu’elle conditionne nos vies et notre histoire ?

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🇬🇧 What technology wants ?
KEVIN KELLY

La technologie a-t-elle son Ă©volution propre, en dehors de notre contrĂŽle ? Comment est-ce qu’elle conditionne nos vies et notre histoire ?

Cela fait des milliers d’annĂ©es que les humains dĂ©veloppent et utilisent des technologies et qu’à mesure que l’Histoire avance elles se complexifient, se rĂ©pandent et nous changent. L’évolution de la technologie est intrinsĂšquement liĂ©e Ă  l’évolution de l’humanitĂ© et des civilisations, elle nous fait, autant que nous la faisons.

Et la technologie a Ă  ce point Ă©voluĂ© qu’elle est devenue absolument omniprĂ©sente dans nos vies, qu’elle conditionne notre rapport aux autres, Ă  l’information, et au monde. 

Et elle a Ă  ce point Ă©voluĂ© qu’on peut se demander aujourd’hui si elle n’est pas en passe de ne plus avoir besoin de nous pour continuer de se dĂ©velopper.

Kevin Kelly se pose la question de savoir ce qu’elle veut, puisque selon lui, l’évolution technologique a une direction, une trajectoire inĂ©vitable.

Kevin est un acteur incontournable du monde de la Tech depuis 40 ans, entre philosophie, hacking et prospective, il a entre autre fondé le fameux Wired Magazine.

Merci à la conférence USI (Unexpected Sources of Inspiration - https://www.usievents.com/fr) pour la mise en relation

04:00 - How do you look at the world ?

  • I have a very tech-centric view

  • Technology is now the main driving force on our planet

  • The solution to today’s problem is not less technology but better technology

  • Technology is like a cosmic force in the universe, it’s an extension of the same forces that produced life

  • Life and technology are brothers and sisters. Technology is inherently compatible with Nature.


07:00 - What defines our time ?

  • A transition : we are living the last days of an era

  • The new era is a truly global world, connected all the time

  • The challenge is building collaborative tools that make it possible to manage the planet

  • Synthetic and artificial intelligence is about to become real. AI and Humans will be the two dominant species. We are at the beginning.

  • The population will reduce, but artificial minds will grow in number


11:00 - Thinking in systems - « the Technium Â» as a something of its own

  • The technosphere as a something of its own : all the technologies working together and constituting a layer of reality

  • Every system has its own agenda. Technology has its own life, its own direction.

  • We are part of the technosphere and we are trying to steer it. We are both the shaper and the shaped. That makes things very complicated for Humans.


16:00 - Does technology want something ?

  • What technology wants ? (livre)

  • Hypothesis : technology is an extension of life. It has the same evolution principles.

  • Then the question to ask : is there a direction to Evolution ? I think that yes, from general to specifics. From simple to complicated life forms
 Technology is very similar.

  • Entropy is powering evolution

  • What are the principles : The Inevitable (livre)

    • There are development stages, there is a sequence : you need electricity before having the iPhone.

    • Some evolutions are inevitable. On earth it was inevitable to end having quadrupeds at some points. Once you have invented electricity, you will end-up having something like the telephone and the internet.


23:00 - What is inevitable ?

  • Sentient AIs are inevitable. Minds were invented by nature many times. Technology will be making minds too, we just don’t know what they will be. We have a choice on the character of AI and how they fit into our lives. And we have to think about it now.

  • Accelerated biological evolution through technology. We need to think of what we want Humans to be (in the context of the evolution of AI).

  • NBIC > Nano-tech, Bio-tech, Information-tech, Cognitive-tech

  • The evolution of technology is inevitable because of the human desire to make new things forever

  • « I don’t see any way of stopping innovation Â». Historically technology prohibition never lasts.

  • We will have human cloning as actually we already have it in nature : twins. It’s just a matter of what we get used to


34:00 - The amish model ? Shouldn’t we choose carefully the technology we want to use ?

  • The amish test and choose technologies based on their values, on the life they want to have as a community

  • We should be clear on our criteria too : what do we want technology to do for us and our civilisation ?

  • The example of horses as a way to keep everyone closed and able to come back for dinner


40:00 - The energy issue : can we continue with complex technologies when we should reduce our consumption of energy

  • We tend to underestimate the benefits that cheap fossil energy brought to our civilisation

  • Can you get nuclear energy if you didn’t have oil ?

  • We’ll return eventually to nuclear fission and hopefully we’ll have nuclear fusion. So after a transition, we won’t have a problem having to deal with less energy

  • Digital techs, AIs, don’t require a lot of energy to function, compared to transports. So the development of complex tech will not be limited by lack of energy.

  • The population will decrease (naturally), so technology will continue to evolve and becoming more complex.


50:00 - What is the more important question to work on ?

  • We should be working on world government as we have global problems and will need planetary solutions. But i have no idea how to do that



52:00 - What to tell children ?

  • Teach them to ask good questions and to have an inquisitive mind, to question their own assumptions, to question authorities


  • When they are young, it’s about their character, not knowledge : grit, perseverance, optimism


  • Then, learn how to (you) learn. Every person should figure out how they learn best.

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